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    why we need to relax our foreign interventionism/aid

    this was firstly going to be a news post, then i put too much of my opinion into it.

    for those that havent been following this about-to-begin conflict over the past couple of weeks between Ethiopia and Eritrea

    -predominately-Christian Eritrea might have been harboring or arming militant groups, including Ethiopian groups as well as Somali-based Islamic Al-Shabab,

    -whom (Al-Shabab) in turn attacks predominately-Christian Ethiopia, because

    -they (Ethiopia), with US backing and fighting alongside the Somali Federalist troops, has been venturing into Somalia to try to uproot the Al-Shabab rebels

    the reason these Christian-Eritrea is sponsoring Islamic terrorism against Christian Ethiopia (i say Christian because the countries are statistically majority Christian and the Presidents are both Christian) is because they are still sour at each other from their last 1990s border-dispute war.

    Restraint urged after Ethiopia raids Eritrea - Africa - Al Jazeera English

    Shabab and Ethiopian troops clash in Somalia - Africa - Al Jazeera English


    and so you dont have to look up a map

    -and now, less than 2 countries over, we have the US in its aid to South Sudan (predominately Christian), which is a government that came to power through a separatist group (SPLM) whom, although they had legit reasons to separate from the Muslim-Arab north, they were just as immoral in employing summary executions, targeting of non-combatants, and child soldiers.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan%E...conflict_(2011)
    IRIN Africa | SUDAN: SPLM/A begins demobilising child soldiers in Upper Nile | Sudan | Children

    , as well as its/our (US) aid to Uganda (predominately Christian) and advisers to try to fight Joseph Kony (a man who calls himself a Christian) that some argue was only able to come to power because of the central Ugandan government's brutal pacification of competing factions in the last coup (which brought that government to power) that resulted in human rights abuses, including concentration camps, murders, rapes, use of child soldiers, exc.
    Uganda | Child Soldiers Global Report 2008

    while this post is intended to be more informational than argumentative, i think the one thing that is clear, is that most of the governments in Africa and the Middle East are completely effed up, the peoples are unable of making a semi-responsible, effective, and non-overly-militarized government, and this clearly cuts across "religious" divisions.
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    Why can't we just let them kill each other then claim the land us soil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan View Post
    Why can't we just let them kill each other then claim the land us soil
    We don't need another Puerto Rico mooching off of us.

    I will say I am pretty good at geography and know where countries are, or at least have heard of them. Eritea is a new one for me.

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    An over-simplified reason for intervening in the worlds affairs is because after WWII we intertwined our economies so as to keep us from starting WWIII. Obviously in this scenario it is important for us to not let psychos run countries into the ground and disrupt trade and especially oil production. As we know from history everyone who takes power eventually establishes a totalitarian regime via socialism, communism, marxism, etc. and this slows down progress as it deters would be enterprising individuals from making the most of themselves. Look around as it is happening here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reelop19 View Post
    An over-simplified reason for intervening in the worlds affairs is because after WWII we intertwined our economies so as to keep us from starting WWIII. Obviously in this scenario it is important for us to not let psychos run countries into the ground and disrupt trade and especially oil production. As we know from history everyone who takes power eventually establishes a totalitarian regime via socialism, communism, marxism, etc. and this slows down progress as it deters would be enterprising individuals from making the most of themselves. Look around as it is happening here.
    Yep, the founders of this nation definitely set up those kind of perimeters. Some might argue that the health of socialist countries such as Canada are actually in better shape than that of the US. It is also not the job of the US to play world police..... this is why the rest of the world hates us.

    PS it is great to fund people so those who are "enterprising" can make the most of themselves. Bin Laden couldn't agree with you anymore. I won't even open the door of what happens to all the money we piss away in Haiti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom zoom6 View Post
    Yep, the founders of this nation definitely set up those kind of perimeters. Some might argue that the health of socialist countries such as Canada are actually in better shape than that of the US. It is also not the job of the US to play world police..... this is why the rest of the world hates us.

    PS it is great to fund people so those who are "enterprising" can make the most of themselves. Bin Laden couldn't agree with you anymore. I won't even open the door of what happens to all the money we piss away in Haiti.
    Did you miss my point I was making or are you having a random thought?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reelop19 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by reelop19 View Post
    Did you miss my point I was making or are you having a random thought?
    you believe that getting involved in others affairs reduce the possibilities of wars..... which has been proven time again to be the exact opposite of reality.

    It is not the US's job either to reduce the amount of socialism, communism, or any other ideology. You ideas or "points" are lost in what the US's job is in the world economy and the world in general.

    capitalism is a great economic system, but it has never been our job to thrust it onto places that do no wish to have it. Just like our religious beliefs, our culture, or our music. Just like US citizens have a problem with immigrants who try to thrust their culture and language onto the American people instead of adapting to our style of living and language. Doing this on a global level only increases hostility and resistance..... less you are ok with "press 1 for English"
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    Oh is that what I said. Hmmmmm and all this time I thought I had just stated why the United States started doing what it does after WWII. I guess you should just start posting for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by reelop19 View Post
    Oh is that what I said. Hmmmmm and all this time I thought I had just stated why the United States started doing what it does after WWII. I guess you should just start posting for me
    did you not read what you posted. you said they had intervened since WWII to avoid another World war....

    just because we did it after WWII does not mean it should continue. Just like Welfare and social security. At some point you have to realize that what you are doing is not getting the desired effect and change course.
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    Yes I said what the imperialist powers that be have done since WWII. I made an educated statement. A statement is what was made not an opinion. And FYI I don't reread what I write. I already know my posts are amazing but its nice to know you feel the need to read them multiple times.


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